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on Tuesday, September 29th, james ciane said
you create art from you heart or mind. This is how the best art is made. I like to go with my heart to do my art.
Car Hifi
on Monday, September 21st, racing games said
In my opinions all of us are artists in one or other way. But not all of us have the talent to create create real art.
on Monday, September 21st, recing games said
In my opinions all of us are artists in one or other way. But not all of us have the talent to create create real art.
on Tuesday, September 15th, honorary degrees said
Recent article in Art in American, March,2009, Super Star artists in USA are cutting in half the price they are selling their art because of collectors going bankrupt because of scams and scammers-- Sothebys and Chirstie verify consignment of Art way down
on Tuesday, September 15th, instant degree said
I see it as an question of perpective of energies. There's no right or wrong energies, it's the actions that are often judged.
on Tuesday, September 15th, fake degrees said
I try to serve my community by bringing delight, bringing a new way of seeing, maybe even a little magic. My dear late brother, sculptor John Payne, finally found his delight in delighting others.
on Tuesday, September 15th, degree at home said
. I guess that depends on ones definition of 'spiritual' for some making art is just an action, not unlike making a chair.
on Tuesday, September 15th, life experience degrees said
I believe that not everyone can be an artist, regardless of self- mutilation or living in a garret. Creativity is a gift PLUS doing the endless work that the "gift" entails.
on Friday, September 11th, Emo Girls said
Thanks.What a wonderful read. I like Brad Everett Kirkman's attitude re creating art. He is an artist who reaches out to others. Thanks for another glimpse at artists doing their thing, Michael!
John Emo Girls
on Thursday, September 10th, online games said
Well put, Mark! I also think art can flourish in dark times.
on Monday, September 7th, Emo Clothing said
Nice to see everyone get along in the end. Art will never be defined by any one artist or collector. As long as we never join the hive mind, our individuality will ensure art progresses in new directions.
Emo Clothing
on Monday, August 31st, Imdb Film said
Art is in everything well thought out and designed. I think hundreds of years ago customers of artists created a mystique of artists to promote the value and exclusivity. The artists can sometimes perpetuate the artistic personality to his own promotion. But I also think that not everyone can be an artist, regardless of self-mutilation or living in a garret. Creativity is a gift PLUS do the job without so that the "gift" implies. Ater slaves for a year on 20 images for a program (working 12 hours a day, regardless of physical ailments and not leave because the work must be carried out, etc.), maybe I am entitled to put in my person "artist" for the opening: I left my work clothes and "the appearance of an artist (whatever that is)." But on the other hand, carving myself before the show could be counterproductive in terms of business next year. Besides, I like 2 rings as a "look".
on Monday, August 31st, fused glass jewelry said
Nothing excuses boorish behavior but one should ask if the artist changed their behavior would it change their art.
on Saturday, April 11th, fashion jewelry said
Flame on - flame off.
Nice to see everyone get along in the end. Art will never be defined by any one artist or collector. As long as we never join the hive mind, our individuality will ensure art progresses in new directions.
on Wednesday, April 8th, Hans said
Each creative persons, be it a blacksmith, visual artist, painter, wood craver have his or her own way of selfexpression and whatever it needs and takes for a person to be creative. some need to live simply, some needs routine, security, women, drugs, loneliness, travel, touch and feel material, be inspired from outside, watch a film, etc...
what is important is the creation left behind. for me it's about what one needs to create and what one needs to say. about suffering; it's a state where one is confronted with himself, cast away from others. A demon could be an angel or vice versa. I see it as an question of perpective of energies. There's no right or wrong energies, it's the actions that are often judged.
Maybe I'm talking off my head as a priviledge student. But this time will end quite soon. what's left is being true to oneself and to live life as what life has to offer or not.
Art is often an artist's utopia.
on Thursday, April 2nd, Robert said
Each one to his/her own desire and way of expression, whether it comes naturally or needs to be created or contrived. Even those who are on the receiving end of art have their own opinions as to what is art - for instance, some people just don't like renaissance, metal work and so on. It's very easy to criticize art - there is no one standard to it. Just coming from Prague, I was lucky to see so much beautiful work accumulated over centuries during my stay at very charismatic, little hotel just below Prague Castle. Art simply, stems from anything and anywhere, from our emotions to what our mind devises.
on Monday, March 9th, Seymour said
Sorry again, it's findigart, please excuse me.
on Monday, March 9th, Seymour said
findinart, I apologize for arguing with you. I am sorry. Sometimes I interpret things way too literally.
May peace be with you and all the world!
on Monday, March 9th, Seymour said
Yes, we all must be living proof; your art, my art, and everyones art.
According to Darwin, Man is an animal.
on Monday, March 9th, Seymour said
""""""""I don't consider suffering as a necessary or even integral of art.
You are the living proof of your kind of art and I am of mine."""""""""""
But you look down on me and call me an animal! Look at your writing! Look at where, using your opinion laden questions, you call those who suffer, wild animals.
What this really comes down to is....The rich...and the poor.
on Sunday, March 8th, findigart said
Oh, just now seen your later post... there is nothing to apologize.
each of us has what's working for him and what's not.
I don't consider suffering as a necessary or even integral of art.
You are the living proof of your kind of art and I am of mine.
on Sunday, March 8th, findigart said
Well, Seymour, I'm all for that. Do it your way, and I'll do it my way... ;-)
Good Luck!
on Sunday, March 8th, Seymour said
If the meditative stuff works for you, that's great. My apologies. It's never worked for me.
on Sunday, March 8th, Seymour said
Until you share any of your supposed past suffering, all this gobbity gook meditative crap looks elitist. Over and over, my thoughts and feelings come back to your saying suffering is not necessary for art as a way for you to justify your own art for you have never suffered!
Observing does not open the soul. Suffrage breaks, wounds, cuts, and lays the soul wide open. Thats why those who suffer make better art and throughout history, have always been the best artists because their soul is in the work. Suffrage makes art. No suffrage makes art collectors.
Their is more suffrage in my life than getting past a bad medicine. I'll get through this. And like my mother saying on her death bed and quoting Frank Sinatra,,,,I did it my way!
on Sunday, March 8th, findigart said
Hi Seymour,
Well, that the whole essence of Vipassana meditation: observing the reality as it is, while neither expressing or repressing it, with the mediative tool of the body sensations.
Not only that it allows for a process of the purification of themind to begin, but it is also the most intense and direct way to actually experience, whether emotions, thoughts or whatnot.
on Friday, March 6th, Seymour said
Budha's first incarnation was a deer.
Do the rich consider those who suffer, mere animals? Do the rich consider themselves above man? Are there only oligarchs, workers, and those who suffer and the sufferers considered animals?
I have been suffering badly for 4 months. Granted, I know that many have it worse than I. I am a fulltime artist. It's all that I am. Last summer I started taking a drug to feel better. I felt better but then 4 months later my creativity and ambition had been stripped away by this drug. I'm near ruin. My life financially depends on my being creative. I fear this side effect of losing my creativity and ambition is permanent. Yes, I am suffering.
Findingart, you said this yesterday....."I actually became an artist only after I started suffering less and observing more."
Then today I find this..."Become the Witness.
The last way to change your emotional state is to simply witness it. Just watch the emotion and allow it to be there. Don't identify with it. Just allow it to be."
on Friday, March 6th, Andrew said
Seymour,
You may choose to respond to the rebuttal or not. You're a trust fund kid. You have never suffered. You have been pampered all of your life. Trust fund kids always respond the way you do, and choose not to whenever they are faced with anyone challenging them. Mostly, they pretend they haven't heard, or change the subject. You're a classic example.
on Thursday, March 5th, Seymour said
I'll end my part of this discussion the way I started in. Your writing looks like you have never suffered from anything in your life. I find it misleading and offensive. You call those who suffer, animals.
on Thursday, March 5th, findigart said
Seymour, Seymour, Seymour... you actually made me laugh :-)
You cannot beat a man into sharing his pain - it contradicts.
Anyway, what is your obsession with my misery? what are you trying to achieve?
Just drop it, and in case you have anything concrete to add to the discussion I'd love to hear it.
And same goes to the rest of you all - this is not a duo between me and Seymour :-)
on Thursday, March 5th, Seymour said
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"I actually became an artist only after I started suffering less and observing more."
Cut the crap and tell us what you suffered from!
on Thursday, March 5th, findigart said
Alright, now I feel that we can talk.
First of all I really wasn't trying to insult you. If yu have been offended by anything that I said I apologize, since this really was not my intent.
Secondly, I no longer feel that sharing my gushing stories of personal misery is necessary for me to get attention. This was my previous mechanism, I used to hide behind my personal misery after offending people and hurting them or doing immoral deeds, by starting to "share" my miserable childhood and difficulties of life. I'm not saying that is what you do, but this certainly what I used to do.
Anyway, in this particular case I feel more than comfortable talking about this issue because I really do sympathize with pain and suffering and not from the ivory tower of the Enlightened but rather from the very close and personal place of self experience.
However, my creation started to take place - believe it or not - only after I changed my habit pattern of reacting to that misery to a certain extent - the extent of being able to observe at times more than I react. This enabled me to discover innate capabilities that were inaccessible to be before.
I actually became an artist only after I started suffering less and observing more. There fore my art discusses spirituality and mindfulness to a great extent, since this is more than anything what gave birth to art within me to begin with.
Some of the articles in my website discuss these very issues.
Life entails misery - its a fact. But I feel that art can gush also as a product of observation of that misery and not only from wallowing in it.
Anyway, all in all, I am quite far from being any kind of Buddha or a sterile scientist of art, quite far indeed. I just choose to discuss certain issues in certain manners that most suite my personality and inclination of heart and mind.
on Thursday, March 5th, Seymour said
In America, we have rubuttals. The opposing viewpoint is heard. You may wish to respond to the rebuttal or not.
You take offense to my saying you have had an easy life. I hoped that sometime in our debate that you would have referenced any type of experience in pain and suffering. You didn't. You insulted me by saying one should not take pride in their pain. Well kiddo, I live with lots of pain and if I didn't hold pride in it then this dicussion would have certaintly been a personal dead issue many years ago.
With sugar fairies dancing over my head, I can agree with the fantasy that one need not destroy in order to create. But alas, no sugar fairies. In the fine arts, it is impossible to not destroy a material element in order to create something. But I do understand where you are coming from. I do understand your want of creation with no destruction. I saw your website. I know.
It's "make love, not war", NOT "make art, not war". Love is universal. Art is opinion.
on Thursday, March 5th, findigart said
TO// Seymour
Lets make this the final response because it seems like a dead-end discussion.
First of all you presume to know what kind of life I have had, whether easy of hard, and according to that you judge whether or not I have the right to write this or that, or whether it is sincere or not.
You don't know me at all and there fore it is even not worth the energy to tell you why you are so wrong. Have you not realized this yet?
I'm 32 years old and have gone through many experiences in my life... perhaps I'm not as young as you think. Anyhow, criticism is not easily taken by anyone, but I feel that I have managed to suffer through your "charming" attitude and sarcastic remarks quite bravely.
To your question: yes this is part of my art - writing about it. This blog as well is part of my art. I write, I create, I do a lot of things.
Summarize the blog for you? Here it is in a nutshell: "you don't need to destroy in order to create, you don't need to be an unaware demon in order to be an artist, whether you think you have justification for it or not - you don't. Don't hide your suffering but you have also no reason to take pride in it as if it is the only thing which defines you - you are also other things, pure and good and pleasant - they make no lesser quality of art than the harsh ones. Make art, not war". - Good enough for you?
I really hope that good things and real happiness will come to you, to me, to all of us.
Thanks for your interest in the blog, Seymour and Good luck :-)
on Thursday, March 5th, Seymour said
Many of the youth today find it very difficult to take criticism. You stated that you say what you have to say through art. Is this your art? Is this blog and discussion your art? I wonder if you actually know what you wrote? Could you paraphrase it? Could you surmise what you wrote in a few sentences please?
I just don't think anyone can write about pain and suffering who has not ever had pain and suffering. Your bourgeois rhetoric is just as brutal and offensive as my saying you have had an easy life.
on Thursday, March 5th, findigart said
TO// Seymour
I remember my words. I stand behind them.
Next year I'll be whatever is necessary. Life is flexible and dynamic and I try to live by the laws of Creation and let them decide.
I have what I have to say, I say it through art. Perhaps next year I'll say it through car mechanics, but it doesn't matter cause I'll always be an artist. I always have been.
All the 'movies' in your head concerning easy life... well, their your issues not mine. Even if you have been correct it's got nothing to do with the point I was trying to make.
You are the very manifestation of that point - you justify your suffering through art and you forgive yourself for being brutal and offending to others by being an 'artist'.
Excuse me, friend, but that's Crap. Read the article again, because it seems that I do know what I'm talking about after all - it's your own very reflection.
You are the one that needs to grow up.
on Thursday, March 5th, Seymour said
You asked what a true artist is. A true artist has no choice. A true artist is always and forever an artist. Here below, is your quote:
"And again, art is not any goal or purpose on its own for me, so it would be more than easy for me to leave it all behind me if and when the time comes to move on."
I wonder what you'll be next year? Good luck to you.
on Thursday, March 5th, Seymour said
I have nothing against you. Your words offend me! When someone who has had an easy life tells me that pain and suffering should not be a part of art, I cringe.
on Thursday, March 5th, findigart said
TO// Seymour
You know, many times when I see a beautiful girl crossing the street, I feel my inferiority complexes rising up on the surface like dirty grease. I feel so inferior actually as to start hating her for being herself... or actually hating myself even more for being so weak and fearful.
Now you tell me, is that a way to get to know her? Is that the attitude to come with that would win her heart?
Hatred, fear and jealousy justify themselves and need no other excuses, but do you really expect to get to know me with this kind of attitude?
Even though you act in a truly offensive manner, I have nothing against you. I really feel that you have a lot inside of you - no one shallow acts like this... but you sure as hell have quite a lot against me - I wonder why...
Anyway, if you really care to know a little bit more about where I come from, what I feel, think, or have gone through... If you really care to know a little more about the depths, mindfulness and all the rest that my art manifests, you can check out my website and read the articles and iconographies... just click on my signature at the end of the comment.
And again, art is not any goal or purpose on its own for me, so it would be more than easy for me to leave it all behind me if and when the time comes to move on. God and life will guide me as to what, when and how to do what's right.
Oh, and it's not findingart, by the way - it's findigart :-)
on Thursday, March 5th, Seymour said
There are a lot of 20 something year olds who are cranking out a lot of garbage art because they have had such a cushy life. You Findingart, are at least searching. You haven't found it yet and probably won't. I suspect you will end up working at an art gallery or giving up on art alltogether. You joke, but I see no evidence of you ever having your skin ripped away by something in your life. When the muscles are exposed, art is empowered.
Do you want established modern art to go away because yours is inferior? Is your art derivative so to be original, the originals must be taken away? Are you jealous that one can make a simple statement of a shark in a tank that reverberates for decades in people just like you?
It sounds like you have had an easy life Findingart, please illuminate us. Show us how deep your attempted wisdom is coming from!
on Thursday, March 5th, findigart said
TO// Harry Weisburd
Great words! However it is my gut feeling that modern or contemporary art, as concepts, as establishments, as institutions of dogma are still way to powerful in the minds of the common people.
Many people who come to MOMA for example probably still expect to see all that crap which they do not understand and feel detached from. They still truly expect art to be some remote, distant and alienated piles of bullshit.
The art establishment itself, of course has all the interest in the world to protect its prestige and livelihood, and so do the art trustees and artists who became the pet toys of this deranged rotten order and perception of art.
It may take a while to pierce through and demolish that order so that a new healthier one will flourish out of the debris.
This is in fact the revolution which I am trying to lead. This and nothing less:
What is true art?
Who is a true artist?
How an artwork is evaluated?
Can it be that a dissected shark in a formalin tank is worth 20 million dollars? Hell, no!
on Thursday, March 5th, Andrew said
Seymour and the silver spoon. No one but a trust fund kid would have a name like Seymour.
on Thursday, March 5th, Harry Weisburd said
The point of my discussion is simply this:
just as Monet and the Impressionists signaled the end of an "Era" the "SALON" in France, the Feature Article in Arts and Antigues is saying with the low prices at auctions for the "Giants of modern art" such as Picasso and Brancusi, it is the signal of the "End of an Era of Modern Art" that lasted 100 years and the "Rediscovery of Artists sent into "oblivion" such as Bourgereau or John Waterhouse and the revival of tradition..........
IT JUST MAY BE that Duchamp's "urinal" may be seen again for what it is , just a urinal, and piss on it ! ya jus never know-----
and a piece of rope on the floor of a white room called a "Art Gallery" may be seen as just a piece of rope or a brick on the floor in the middle of a white room
and as Poet Gertrude Stein said: a rope is a rope is a rope......................!
a brick is a brick is a brick.............
and not Conceptual Art or even art!
OR even minimal ------------------!art------!
small a ..................
on Wednesday, March 4th, findigart said
Oh, but it does, Seymour, it does... you see it's kinda cold and it messes with my golden tooth fillings, so I usually ask one of my numerous African-American servants to warm it up for me.
That is in cases, of course, when I don't use my diamond-plated Titanium super-spoon, which was manufactured especially for me by NASA.
Silver sucks...
on Wednesday, March 4th, Seymour said
The only people who think suffering and pain is not neccesary for making good art are rich people who have never suffered or endured pain and well, their art really sucks. That's why they buy it. So I hope the silver spoon in your mouth doesn't give you too much trouble when drinking your cocktails.
on Wednesday, March 4th, findigart said
TO// Harry Weisburd
So indeed, the emperor has no clothes... the problem is we keep giving power to him by shutting our eyes.
Success is the luxury of all those successful artists who cannot see the vanity of their own selves from within the whirlpool of success.
We gaze at them in awe and wish we could be in their shoes... meanwhile we crawl at the doors of respectable galleries to represent us... they grow bigger and bolder... we grow weaker...
Imagine a world were all artists say "NO!" to shallow art, where all people say "NO!" to shallow life... were would reality TV, cumming at the openings of exhibitions and shitting into tin cans as art would be then?
Shallow era > shallow world > shallow people > shallow artists > shallow art...
All is scenery for the few true strivers of truth and sincerity, all a big opening for the True Artists.
on Wednesday, March 4th, Harry Weisburd said
If as suggested being an "artist" involves pain- why is it that many "successful " and rich movie actors, actresses and singers want to be artists ? are they masochists ?
How come years ago , many people wore a French Beret and called themselves "artistes"
What exactly did these people think, what an artist is ?
Is an artist a Messiah, a Prophet or is it just plain Ego ?
Sadly , I suggest everyone read great article in Art in America, February , 2009, issue by Dave Hickey - amazingly CANDID article, "QUALITY"
---"FOR A PROFESSIONAL IN THE ARTS, THE INABILITY TO TELL GOOD FROM BAD IS A TERMINAL CONDITION : SOME WORKS ARE >>BETTER<< THAN OTHERS.
(todays contemporary art- my comment- this inability includes art critics, reviewers , galleries, museum curators and collectors, and artists )
I "APPLAUD" the Editor or Editors of, Art In America for having the "GUTS" to publish this article by Dave Hickey and congratulate Dave Hickey for having the guts to suggest "the emperor has no clothes"-- today !
on Wednesday, March 4th, findigart said
TO// Seymour
Boy it sure seems that I have touched a soft spot with this article haven't I?
I wish you the very best of insight, love and happiness...
And good luck with your art :-)
on Wednesday, March 4th, Seymour said
I'm proud of my pain. I am not a wild animal. I am an artist with a pure soul.
You are young. Enjoy your cocktail.
on Wednesday, March 4th, Seymour said
Oh please share with us your plight in life for it sure looks like the only pain you have endured is from the silver spoon in your mouth scraping your cheek.
on Wednesday, March 4th, findigart said
TO// Seymour
You see, that's the exact same toxicity I'm talking about.
Pain is unavoidable anyhow but it can lead to purification instead of to becoming an artistic wild animal...
cocktail life? I don't wish you what I had to go through in my life and what I am still going throug. I really don't.
on Wednesday, March 4th, Seymour said
You are clueless guy! Suffrage brings sensitivity. Sensitivity brings enlightment. Enlightment is good art. No pain no gain! Now go back to your cocktail life.
on Wednesday, March 4th, findigart said
TO// Ellen
So all innovators art true artitst - suit me :-) I feel so as well. Innovativeness manifests the qualities all true artists need.
But then who indeed innovates and who just owns a big ego and enjoys a good karma?
on Wednesday, March 4th, findigart said
TO// Harry Weisburd
Maybe... are you saying that this wasn't their choise to begin with, wether or not to be capricious and harmful to themselves and to others?
perhaps. on the one hand mental illnesses do exist and some are influenced by the lack of mental balance to such an extent as to suffer from acute biochemical physical disorders. on the other hand, many of them who choose to commit suicide and to act as animals and lead their lives as little devils actually choose to do so in a semi conscious of at times even fully conscious manner.
They have a choise but ego drives them wild and into thinking that they are immortal and invincible - they get addcited to the emptiness that begets these behavior pattetns and to it's derivatives.
are you not familiar with the need to hurt yourself on one spot in order to repress the pain on another one? same thing work with our soul.
but we do have a choise - we are humans. choise is what distinguishes us from the animals and other lower forms of life, it is what defines and manifests self awareness.
don't you think?
on Wednesday, March 4th, findigart said
TO// Harry Weisburd
I apparently missed you... What's your point?
on Wednesday, March 4th, Ellen said
Findigart- You know (in response to your response of my response) I was just thinking of that (everyday: all my life): what distinguishes artists from others who produce. I was assisted in coming to a conclusion by two fabulous artists friends and teachers of mine: Murray Miller and Alex Fournier (It deeply saddens me that they are no longer with us). The first critical marks of a great artist are: where to place the light in and what to LEAVE OUT of the image. The second mark which separates the greats from the true icons is the unique way of doing the art: Van Gogh, Turner, Rembrandt are colpletely UNIQUE in their handdling of the media/subject matter: ICONS. El Greco, like that. Others can replicate their style, but that is what it is: great art, but replication. My take on it all..... for the moment.
on Wednesday, March 4th, Harry Weisburd said
Response to comment about Van Gogh
Today, it is acknowledged by the medical profession , psychiatrists etc that Van Gogh suffered from Bi-Polar mental illness. Jimi Hendrix was bi-polar - If you speak to a person who is bi-polar they will tell you that when they have an "episode" or event" they are incredibly creative and get a high equal to being on drugs. When they take medications it brings them down and the world gets "boring " and "dull"
on Wednesday, March 4th, Harry Weisburd said
European Artist Nicolas De Stael committed suicide after being a Super Star Artist in Europe with his Abstract paintings and then along came POP ART and the end of sales of his work. 1920's Frnch Artist, Jules Pascin was very famous for his paintings of women and then along came Picasso and Cubism. End of Pascin, committed suicide
Recent article in Art in American, March,2009, Super Star artists in USA are cutting in half the price they are selling their art because of collectors going bankrupt because of scams and scammers-- Sothebys and Chirstie verify consignment of Art way down
Do all these non- selling super star artists - kill themselves?
Mark Rothko committed suicide and his paintings were selling for millions--
on Tuesday, March 3rd, findigart said
TO// Pat
Thanks for the comment. Serving the community and the greater good is indeed a good purpose and perhaps the only noble pursuit of anyone in whatever craft they deal.
You seem whole and consolidated in your pursuit and that's great.
I, however still feel the urge for personal gratification. perhaps that very conflict stirs up creation of some sort.
My ego rules but eternity sways its momentum into different, more humane venues from time to time. That is, in fact my spiritual process, from which derives all that I do, including art.
:-)
on Tuesday, March 3rd, Pat said
I keep a book on the paintings in Chauvet cave close at hand to keep me focused. Those artists were not lone suffering geniuses but men and women putting their talents and hard work into the service of their community. They were creators of awe and magic and power. I try to serve my community by bringing delight, bringing a new way of seeing, maybe even a little magic. My dear late brother, sculptor John Payne, finally found his delight in delighting others. Things expressing our personal angst are good art therapy, but they don't serve the community well, in most times. You can see John's work at Paynestudios, and my feeble attempts at patscheible.com (but not until next week) Keep a cave painting handy and keep creating! Pat
on Tuesday, March 3rd, findigart said
TO// Mark
concerning your second comment:
don't we all feel all the time, whether or not we do and whatever it is that we do?
is the mere expression of what we feel art? along these lines De Vinci's work was not art since he is of the classic tradition and had to obey to the content and techniques acceptable of the time. he was not able to 'express' his self the way we take for granted. that is what's modern art suppose to be all about.
I think that by 'spiritual' chantal meant the awareness and intent poured into the artwork and which there fore manifests the depths of the artist's mind.
self awareness with the intent of purification of the mind, based on morality.
what do you think?
on Tuesday, March 3rd, findigart said
TO// chantal oakes
Indeed there is a terrible misconception and lack of thorough understanding as to what is art, who is an artist and from these definitions of new order - what is the value of art.
This misunderstanding and bluntness is mostly encouraged by the shallowness and lack of deep appreciation of the essence of art by the art estaclishment itself.
What sells is art, what doesn't isn't. It surely needs to be the other way around. We as artists have the right to dictate the art standards and new order to the art estaclishment and not the other way around.
on Tuesday, March 3rd, findigart said
TO// Mark
As Ellen said, indeed, well put.
It's great for me to see how people feel and think about art.
what is it you fell, that upgrades the common artistry to a level of art? what is it that actaully distiguishes the two? ...that onw thing.
on Tuesday, March 3rd, findigart said
TO// Ellen
Great comment (the 1st), enjoyed reading it.
I also believe that this "sirtist title" must be earned jsut the same as any other title.
However what is it that truly endorses the title "an artist"? is it hard work alone? and even if so than hard work in what venue?
what distinguishes hard work in the field of art than in the field of mechanics and which of them is truly an artist?
on Monday, March 2nd, Mark said
Artists, well most of us, deal with hard times in regards to money, only a few really ever hit the 'Big Time'. A good point Ellen, but I was refering more to the individuals (emotional) dark and good times but it is true for the greater dark and good times as well as you seem to say.
As to a spiritual outpouring.... I guess that depends on ones definition of 'spiritual' for some making art is just an action, not unlike making a chair. I feel though that what brings a craft to the level of art is the individuals feelings and moods and expression of the time of creation and wether they carry it into thier art. I like to think most of what I paint is 'art' but there are times when it is just 'craft' picture making (those I do not show).
on Monday, March 2nd, chantal oakes said
Isn't the argument about the value placed on art itself? Undervalued because it is not seen as a spiritual outpouring, just somewhere that good times can roll with - except in the collector's market I think. And if an artist doesn't make the collector's market, the work becomes even more undervalued, its discarded, called eye candy. That would turn me to getting off my face, you?
on Monday, March 2nd, Ellen said
Well put, Mark! I also think art can flourish in dark times. I went to Art Expo in NYC over the week-end and, although the show has shrunk, it was great to see the outpouring of creativity. There was optimism, too. I believe that we need art more than ever when times are tough: creating it, viewing it and appreciating the creativity that artists are capable of on every level and in every medium.
on Monday, March 2nd, Mark said
Creating art is what an artist does, yes not unlike a carpenter that makes chairs, it is a task. Some carpenters take what they do to an artistic level, others just just put wood together. Some painters paint pictures, some paint paintings. Some musicians write songs, some create music. Does one need to be suffering to be an artist of any kind? No. Thats a romantic (?) view, but the dark times can spur one to create, just as can good times.
on Monday, March 2nd, Ellen said
Art is in everything well conceived and crafted. I think that hundreds of years ago patrons of artists created a mystique about artists to promote value and exclusivity. Artists may sometimes perpetuate this artistic persona for their own promotion. BUT, I also believe that not everyone can be an artist, regardless of self- mutilation or living in a garret. Creativity is a gift PLUS doing the endless work that the "gift" entails. Ater slaving for a year on 20 images for a show (working 12 hour days, ignoring physical ailments, not going out because the work MUST get done, etc.) perhaps I'm entitled to put on my "artist persona" for the opening: get out of my work clothes and "look like an artist(whatever THAT means)." But on the other hand, carving myself up before the show might be counterproductive in terms of next year's ventures. Besides, I like 2 earings as a "look."
